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mountainman3520
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USA
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 Posted - 07/01/2012 : 02:30:47 AM
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It looks like Smarthome is now shipping the new dual-band switchlink relay device.
I'm excite since I've been waiting to place my initial order of INSTEON gear until this was available. I didn't want to start installing single band relay switches and then regret it a few months later.
Has anyone ordered, received, and tested these yet? Any known issues?
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BLH
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Posted - 07/01/2012 : 03:43:59 AM
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I don't have any but make sure your electrical boxes are deep enough.
The original 2476S is 1.2" deep. The new 2477S is 1.73" deep.
Also the Line; Load and Ground wires are #12. So you may find wire routing stiff.
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Edited by - BLH on 07/01/2012 08:45:56 AM |
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EVIL Teken
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Canada
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Posted - 07/01/2012 : 09:12:36 AM
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Key things I like about this new offerings are:
1. Dual band technology
2. Dual Green / Red LED indicator
3. 500 VAC surge
4. Dual voltage / Frequency
5. Lower power consumption
Teken . . .
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mountainman3520
New Member
USA
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Posted - 07/01/2012 : 09:39:40 AM
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It's weird that the new dual band relay switch would be 1.73" deep when the new high power dimmer is only 1.2". Usually a dimmer needs more electronics and has more heat trouble than a simple relay switch. I wonder what's going on. Also, #12 wires wouldn't be required at max 15A load so again is seems like a strange choice for them to use excessively thick/stiff wires.
I have a bunch of boxes where I want to install a mix of high power dimmers and relays. It sounds like I may have trouble. I HATE jamming stuff into my wiring boxes. In addition to being frustrating, it seems unsafe.
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BLH
Advanced Member
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Posted - 07/01/2012 : 09:44:25 AM
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The 2477S is rated at 17 amps not 15 amps, 1800 Watts, 1 HP motor at 120 volts.
Internal photos in the FCC Database show a heavier relay than in the 2476S Switchlincs.
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EVIL Teken
Advanced Member
Canada
965 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2012 : 11:04:26 AM
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As BLH stated about the 12 gauge ground strap. Get ready to be cursing and freaking right out! You will need to dent the dry wall to allow it to sit flush once you get that device into the J box. It will be quite a bear if the box is very shallow . . .
Good luck and let us all know once you get a few and install them . . .
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LeeG
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 07/01/2012 : 11:48:47 AM
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mountainman3520
The additional depth accommodates the RF aspects of the Dual Band technology. This difference will be found in various wired Dual Band device types.
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mountainman3520
New Member
USA
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Posted - 07/01/2012 : 8:39:28 PM
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Originally posted by LeeG
mountainman3520
The additional depth accommodates the RF aspects of the Dual Band technology. This difference will be found in various wired Dual Band device types.
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Hi LeeG, I don't really think that is the explanation since the dual-band dimmer is only 1.2" deep. Right? So it's not the inclusion of dual-band that drives 1.7" depth. It must be the higher current relay but it still seems surprising that the relay version is so much deeper than the dimmer.
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LeeG
Advanced Member
USA
2094 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2012 : 12:30:13 AM
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From the KeypadLinc Dual Bnad versus single band ...
The new KeypadLinc dual-band requires about a quarter-inch more depth than the single-band version (#2486SWH6). The depth is 1.1" for the single-band version versus 1.4" for the dual-band version (see image comparison on right). If you are working with shallow junction boxes, we recommend the KeypadLinc (single-band). With the extra depth, the dual-band KeypadLinc will not fit inside the tabletop enclosure.
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BLH
Advanced Member
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Posted - 07/02/2012 : 04:42:31 AM
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If you look at the 2477D and 2477S Internal and External Photos in the FCC Database.
They where able to put all the electronics for the 2477D on one double sided PC Board.
The 2477S needed a RF Daughter Board mounted on it and the relay does stick up fairly high from main PC Board.
Using the internal photos. I was able to see the Song Chuan relays part number and find it on the Internet. It is 15.7mm or 0.618" tall. |
Edited by - BLH on 07/02/2012 05:10:06 AM |
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stusviews
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Posted - 07/02/2012 : 12:08:46 PM
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mountainman3520
New Member
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Posted - 07/02/2012 : 12:41:13 PM
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Originally posted by stusviews
Also, more current means more heat means more breathing space is needed.
This is definitely true with dimmers and other circuits that use active electronics to carry the current, ie through semiconductor devices. But I think these on/off switches use a mechanical relay. So there really isn't more heat dissipated internal to the switch as the current increases. But the relay does become larger, has larger contacts, etc. to carry the extra current. |
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Isaac
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Posted - 07/05/2012 : 10:08:12 AM
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Originally posted by BLH
I don't have any but make sure your electrical boxes are deep enough.
The original 2476S is 1.2" deep. The new 2477S is 1.73" deep.
I checked with the engineers and the spec listed the incorrect dimensions. It is actually: 4.1" H x 1.78" W x 1.47" D.
We also measured the depth that actually extends into the electrical box: 1.18" (measured from the back case to inside of the metal bracket).
As mentioned by another post, the larger gauge wires may also play a part since they are not as flexible.
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BLH
Advanced Member
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Posted - 07/05/2012 : 4:25:33 PM
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I see the depth was fixed.
They may also want to check the features list.
In Mechanical is says #12 Line Load and Ground.
In Electrical is says #16 |
Edited by - BLH on 07/05/2012 4:26:14 PM |
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jcomand
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Posted - 08/17/2012 : 11:28:12 AM
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Has anyone measured the power consumpton of the new 2477S and 2477D wall switches (off vs on)? Or failing that, do either of them get warm? If I am installing dozens of these in my house to conserve energy by keeping lights off, I don't want to actaully end up wasting energy!
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Switchlink Relay Dual-band (2477S) is out!
